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A Creative Excuse is a reason to build relationships with artists and talk about how art actually gets made. Hosted by Santa Fe–based couple Frank Rose, a gallerist and curator, and Kara Duval, an artist, dancer, and bodyworker, the podcast is an open-ended conversation with artists from New Mexico and beyond. Each guest is in the midst of - or has just completed - a body of work for an exhibition, so the work, the doubts, the obsessions, and the everyday realities of creative life are all part of the exchange. Presented by Hecho a Mano, A Creative Excuse is less about answers and more about paying attention: to process, presence, and the strange, necessary act of making things.

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